Curse

kimahri · Feb 21, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

Many monks after ascension, don't see a reason to go ant further, unless it's their first char. Like my monk for example, now after I've ascended, I simply do GR and 55hpmonking.

I think taking money for missions, isn't something I like but people take money for everything. For example Sno's 55hp monk school, Drok runners and such. I'd never pay a monk to heal, henches work fine.

dare49devil · Feb 21, 2006, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Wow people. Monk SHOULD NOT CHARGE. They are REUIRED to do a mission or whatever you are doing. Monks for hire are just ABUSINg their job.

Running - You do NOT NEED to be ran.

Power leveling - YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE PWOER leveled.

Any other services you want to bring up?

jet_striker · Feb 21, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

Just my own opinion.....
Well I have a monk and a tank... and well a monk is fun and all healing and what not... and monks are needed but they can be replaced with hench monks....
for example I completed all the missions as well as final missions with hench with my tank.... which I am proud of... So if a tank with hench can finish all the missions... monks for hire arent needed

kimahri · Feb 21, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by dare49devil

Wow people. Monk SHOULD NOT CHARGE. They are REUIRED to do a mission or whatever you are doing. Monks for hire are just ABUSINg their job.

Running - You do NOT NEED to be ran.

Power leveling - YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE PWOER leveled.

Any other services you want to bring up?

As I assume this was meant for me. No I just said that people DO charge for this services, not that they need to... Even though I don't need it, people still do it. Face it, people are greedy, people will do anything to find out new ways to get money, in GW and IRL. There will always be scammers and plain jerks in GW. The best way to stop them is not to pay for them. Just take Alesia and Lina instead.

wheel · Feb 24, 2006, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by dare49devil

Wow people. Monk SHOULD NOT CHARGE. They are REUIRED to do a mission or whatever you are doing. Monks for hire are just ABUSINg their job.

Running - You do NOT NEED to be ran.

Power leveling - YOU DO NOT NEED TO BE PWOER leveled.

Any other services you want to bring up?

By the same broken argument, guess what? Monks DO NOT NEED to heal you for free. They can get along with henchies just famously. It's a service. Look to the definition: "An act or a variety of work done for others, especially for pay" or "Work done for others as an occupation or business". Is there anything really to debate here?

Like I've iterated, they're wasting their time to heal your team which is most likely less efficient than henchmen at doing the mission. If they wish to increase the price of their service from zero, they can do so. If the price is too high, that's another issue entirely. I think you're undervaluing your time here far too much. Let me put it another way: If a competent monk offered to be your personal healer for every mission and quest in the game, all for the price of 10 gold, would you take him up on that? I'd be willing to bet an HoD axe that you probably would say yes. What about 100 gold? 1,000? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? It's a slippery slope, for sure. What you're really complaing about, in essence, is that their prices are too high, and you're too scared to admit that your time is worth very little.

Gonzo · Feb 24, 2006, 12:17 PM // 12:17

I'll take Alesia any day over a monk who deems himself important enough to charge for their services.

Poison Ivy · Feb 24, 2006, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by Gonzo

I'll take Alesia any day over a monk who deems himself important enough to charge for their services.

So very very ture.

As for this monking problem I see everyone is exprincing, monks are just taking advantage of the situation, nothing wrong with that ^^

Vilaptca · Feb 24, 2006, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by wheel

By the same broken argument, guess what? Monks DO NOT NEED to heal you for free. They can get along with henchies just famously. It's a service. Look to the definition: "An act or a variety of work done for others, especially for pay" or "Work done for others as an occupation or business". Is there anything really to debate here?

Like I've iterated, they're wasting their time to heal your team which is most likely less efficient than henchmen at doing the mission. If they wish to increase the price of their service from zero, they can do so. If the price is too high, that's another issue entirely. I think you're undervaluing your time here far too much. Let me put it another way: If a competent monk offered to be your personal healer for every mission and quest in the game, all for the price of 10 gold, would you take him up on that? I'd be willing to bet an HoD axe that you probably would say yes. What about 100 gold? 1,000? 10,000? 100,000? 1,000,000? It's a slippery slope, for sure. What you're really complaing about, in essence, is that their prices are too high, and you're too scared to admit that your time is worth very little.

By this same silly little argument, I can say just me joining your team, no matter what I'm playing, you should have to pay for me to join.

Caged Fury · Feb 24, 2006, 12:39 PM // 12:39

In an ideal world, monks wouldn't be charging for their services and players wouldn't verbally abusing monks for their own failings in combat. But GW is far from being an ideal world. If monks want to charge others for playing their role, let them charge. Just don't take them up on it if you don't agree with it, and take hench monks instead. They're not brilliant but they do just fine.

No matter what profession someone plays, if they want to charge for playing it then I will not team up with them. I'm more than happy to take henchies instead.

S E V E R · Feb 24, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54

The first time I got to Hells precipice I tried 6 times with human teams and failed, these teams had like 2 or 3 monks each instance. Then a mesmer girl told me she was going to solo with henchman and that people underestimate henchman. I considered this, set up Winter and Greater Conflagration on my ranger after a brainwave and managed it easily first time round with 7 henchman.

What's that all about?

pobblepop · Feb 24, 2006, 01:04 PM // 13:04

My main toon is an Mo/N who has completed the game and now spends his time in FOW/UW making money to stash away for my ritualist and/or assassin in Factions

I have never charged people for joining their group and never would as I think there would be a lot of resentment if anyone died or the healing was particularly rubbish due to rushers or badly managed skillbars. Saying that I think it's ok if people want to charge gold to join a group that's having a hard time finding a monk for their build, it really is up to the individual if they want to pay for the monk and also if the monk wants to charge. I've warped over to the fire levels sometimes trying to sell bits and bobs to people and instantly I will have 3 or 4 blind invites and if I stand there not doing very much for more than a minute people start to give abuse like 'Come on monk, accept ffs' and 'f*c*ing noob monk join!!!!!' which is not conducive to a happy working environment so it's no wonder some monks decide to charge cash. A polite whisper to a monk asking if they would like to join can go a looooooong way. It's mostly about supply and demand. Since I started this game on day one when it came out the spam bar has been full of 'NEED MONK!!' and that has not changed to this day, so why shouldn't 'good' monks ask for cash to join a group desperate for them? I see no difference in this to a runner or spider charmer.

baz777 · Feb 24, 2006, 01:41 PM // 13:41

I’ve completed all the missions, been everywhere, farmed extensively, bought all I’ll ever need and managed to put a nice bit aside ready for Factions.

The last 2 weeks or so I’ve split my time between GVG with my guild and picking at random a mission areas offering the services of my monk ‘FREE’ to whoever will have me. I must say that by doing this it has, in some way, brought back some of the enjoyment and variety back into the game for me.

It has, however, reminded me just how few monks there are in PVE.

If there are monks out there charging for their services, which I strongly disagree with, I just hope that they are darn good at what they do.

What’s the difference between a monk charging to heal and a warrior running up to agro a group, sitting down, and demanding gold before he hits them with his sword?

Gonzo · Feb 24, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

If I were a monk that would hear COME ON MONK JOIN FFS I would just join and come as a smiting monk, just to piss them off a tad bit more.

pegasux · Feb 24, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

first off I don't think there is anything wrong with charging if you a monk. I despise them and know that they are whats wrong with the game BUT it's their right though. Those greedy little punks bought the game so then can do as they wish. Yesterday was my first experience with a hired hand, i wanted a henchie healer but the "leader" wanted to hire one. Well he was half way decent, but was a total and complete prick! he wanted to charge for everything. he found a shield and someone asked for it and he wanted to charge 2k for it. plain jane shield. want candy canes to finish hells and would sell for 1k, bragging that he sold them for 700 but since in mission he charges 1k instead. then starts yelling at our other monk <free> cause he kept dying. needless to say i yelled at him cause he kept it up. Then the guy threatens to leave and I and 2 other say go ahead leave. after that he shuts up and just healed like his greed money grubbing butt was supposed to. i hate greedy people in the game. what are you supposed to do with all the money in the game anyways? I got my 15k armor and now have nothing else to buy for my character.

Van Falcon · Feb 24, 2006, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by Lyta

People pay runners to do certain missions. Why you wonder that some monks do the same? You asked for it.

But the real problem is: it's no fun to play with pug's (usually) When I played through the game with my monk char I quickly started to prefer henchmen over pug's. Now I only play with friends or guild. When I ever play with a pug I'm testing a new build.

urrgh, I hate monking with hench. Not only do I have to keep their useless butts alive, I have to also spend time managing their movement and attack targets. I always look at monking with PUGs like this - either I get in a cool / smart group and have fun, or I get in a dumb / arrogant group and have a good laugh. Of course the monk abuse is really not cool, but these days I will give as good as I get.

Van Falcon · Feb 24, 2006, 02:18 PM // 14:18

I often go to THK and deliberately join the only group that isn't going 'JOIN MONK FFS#@!'

Gli · Feb 24, 2006, 02:25 PM // 14:25

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Originally Posted by baz777

What’s the difference between a monk charging to heal and a warrior running up to agro a group, sitting down, and demanding gold before he hits them with his sword?

There's a really simple difference. Wammos are as common as muck. You don't pay for muck. I'd pay to have less of them crowding mission areas when I'm PUGging.

fiery · Feb 24, 2006, 02:36 PM // 14:36

I haven't seen this thread in SOO long, i remember the times in Ring of Fire monks spamming " pay to hire", made me laugh so i henchied the mission.

redguy · Feb 24, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

I've been playing for a while now and ive experienced what im sure we've all experienced, which is a lack of monks in the end game missions.

I've also seen monks advertising their services for gold/items/etc.

I've never hired any of these monks but I would like to know what other people's opinions and experiences of such individuals. How would you compare them to runners or mission runners? power levelers? etc.

I just want to know what this community's stance is on such behaviors.

After reading this thread over, it is seems to me that most people are getting all worked up over nothing. I play a monk, and it is a rare thing that I am the only healing monk on the team. And have never seen anyone pay for any monks services. If it sticks in your craw that much, just don't pay.

When I do the Fire Islands missions, I go as a healer if that is what is needed. But I would like to add my name to the list of people who have completed the game with only henchies, and I did it as a Smiter. I didn't bring even one heal, or any tanks. All squishies.

Signet of Judgement, Meteor Shower, Bane Signet, Smite, Banish, Scourge Healing, Symbol of Wrath, Rebirth.

It was fun, challenging, but not all that hard to do. Don't pay a monk to heal you. Unless its worth it to you. Thats how it works. The buyer determines value, not the seller. If you pay the price, you are valuing his services. If it isn't worth it to you. It's simple, dont' pay. You'll be doing your part to lower his value.

Sinjin · Feb 24, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

I don't see anything wrong with a good monk charging for their services. You're essentially paying for the time of a quality monk who is significantly better than hench healers (who do have a bad tendency to res mid fight, and consequently die).

If you don't want to pay, you don't have to - just keep keep waiting 10 more minutes till you can find another monk.